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		<title>By: diane</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fr. J---Amen!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. J&#8212;Amen!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. J.</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I read in these words of an Orthodox priest is the kind of genuine kindness, generosity and reciprocity which is the only way that East and West can hope to come to the Unity desired by Christ. It is the very Spirit of Christ himself. I find this attitude sorely lacking among Orthodox interlocutors today.  AndI must admit that in dealing with the Orthodox I have lost this Spirit myself.  It is now perceptible on the internet that Catholics have cooled in their previous warmth toward the Orthodox whom we find cold, cold, cold--not to mention openly hostile to the Catholic faith.  

Thanks for this glimmer of hope, Eirenikon, and the many other lamps you have lit in the darkness.  If only the rest of us, myself included, could exhibit this same Spirit we now witness  between Benedict and Bartholomew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I read in these words of an Orthodox priest is the kind of genuine kindness, generosity and reciprocity which is the only way that East and West can hope to come to the Unity desired by Christ. It is the very Spirit of Christ himself. I find this attitude sorely lacking among Orthodox interlocutors today.  AndI must admit that in dealing with the Orthodox I have lost this Spirit myself.  It is now perceptible on the internet that Catholics have cooled in their previous warmth toward the Orthodox whom we find cold, cold, cold&#8211;not to mention openly hostile to the Catholic faith.  </p>
<p>Thanks for this glimmer of hope, Eirenikon, and the many other lamps you have lit in the darkness.  If only the rest of us, myself included, could exhibit this same Spirit we now witness  between Benedict and Bartholomew.</p>
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		<title>By: AMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction stiffened in to contradiction unfortunately seems to be a hallmark of much of Orthodoxy; i.e. not western = Orthodox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction stiffened in to contradiction unfortunately seems to be a hallmark of much of Orthodoxy; i.e. not western = Orthodox.</p>
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		<title>By: Wei-Hsien Wan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wei-Hsien Wan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to distinguish the theologian from his interpreters, as Evagrius (comment #11) has done.  For example, my friend who is studying Origen in graduate school informs me that the Alexandrine theologian is far more reserved and humble in his speculations than his students and later interpreters lead us to believe.  

As with the interpretation of Scripture, we Christians need to acknowledge that we are always approaching realities with one hermeneutic or another.  There is a distinction to be made between the &quot;objective reality&quot; and the &lt;em&gt;always-subjective way&lt;/em&gt; in which we choose to see it.  Some ways of seeings are closer to the reality itself; others are further.  But to acknowledge that there is a distinction is itself a very helpful step, I think.

Perhaps what Fr. Florovsky observes in the quotation above (I couldn&#039;t locate the full text) is that the integrated Christian hermeneutic has been fractured by the events of time, with each of its pieces flying &lt;em&gt;away&lt;/em&gt; from the other.  Not only that, each of the fragments has with time developed its own distinct features and peculiarities, perhaps to ensure its own survival independent of the whole, such that it has become more difficult for an observer to see that the fragment belonged to a larger object in the first place. This is why, while I do not deny that Eastern and Western theologies have &lt;em&gt;developed&lt;/em&gt; into perhaps mutually irreconciliable (&quot;ontologically different&quot; forms), I believe that that at their respective cores they are in fact not only &quot;in harmony&quot; with each other---they are essential pieces of a lost whole.  Our reconciliation as a people, then, lies in re-integration, not loosely stringing the broken pieces into a necklace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to distinguish the theologian from his interpreters, as Evagrius (comment #11) has done.  For example, my friend who is studying Origen in graduate school informs me that the Alexandrine theologian is far more reserved and humble in his speculations than his students and later interpreters lead us to believe.  </p>
<p>As with the interpretation of Scripture, we Christians need to acknowledge that we are always approaching realities with one hermeneutic or another.  There is a distinction to be made between the &#8220;objective reality&#8221; and the <em>always-subjective way</em> in which we choose to see it.  Some ways of seeings are closer to the reality itself; others are further.  But to acknowledge that there is a distinction is itself a very helpful step, I think.</p>
<p>Perhaps what Fr. Florovsky observes in the quotation above (I couldn&#8217;t locate the full text) is that the integrated Christian hermeneutic has been fractured by the events of time, with each of its pieces flying <em>away</em> from the other.  Not only that, each of the fragments has with time developed its own distinct features and peculiarities, perhaps to ensure its own survival independent of the whole, such that it has become more difficult for an observer to see that the fragment belonged to a larger object in the first place. This is why, while I do not deny that Eastern and Western theologies have <em>developed</em> into perhaps mutually irreconciliable (&#8220;ontologically different&#8221; forms), I believe that that at their respective cores they are in fact not only &#8220;in harmony&#8221; with each other&#8212;they are essential pieces of a lost whole.  Our reconciliation as a people, then, lies in re-integration, not loosely stringing the broken pieces into a necklace.</p>
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		<title>By: evagrius</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>evagrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palamas is a faithful interpreter of Palamas.

In other words, read Palamas first before reading interpretations of what he means.

The same principle applies to other Patristic theologians.

Origen is not Origenism, Augustine is not Augustianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palamas is a faithful interpreter of Palamas.</p>
<p>In other words, read Palamas first before reading interpretations of what he means.</p>
<p>The same principle applies to other Patristic theologians.</p>
<p>Origen is not Origenism, Augustine is not Augustianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &quot;Neo-Palamites&quot; are not &quot;Palamites&quot;, then who are &quot;Palamites?&quot; Who has been a faithful interpreter of St. Gregory&#039;s works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;Neo-Palamites&#8221; are not &#8220;Palamites&#8221;, then who are &#8220;Palamites?&#8221; Who has been a faithful interpreter of St. Gregory&#8217;s works?</p>
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		<title>By: evagrius</title>
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		<dc:creator>evagrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure when the term Neo-Palamism originated. 

I do know that&#039;s it&#039;s now used by many to describe not the thought not of Palamas per se but of theologians writing or commenting on Palamas.

I think there&#039;s quite a difference between the two, ( Palamas and Neo-Palamism).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure when the term Neo-Palamism originated. </p>
<p>I do know that&#8217;s it&#8217;s now used by many to describe not the thought not of Palamas per se but of theologians writing or commenting on Palamas.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s quite a difference between the two, ( Palamas and Neo-Palamism).</p>
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		<title>By: Eirenikon Editor</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Eirenikon Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s obvious that Florovsky’s point hasn’t been understood&quot;

Exactly. Florovsky&#039;s point seems to be that it takes two to tango: both sides of the schism have made distinctions, which due to the heat of polemics, have &quot;stiffened into contradictions&quot; – and therefore both sides have to do a fair amount of crow-eating, or, at least, declare a mutual cease-fire, e.g. not being so quick to call  each other&#039;s developments &quot;heresies&quot; (see the Ratzinger formula).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s obvious that Florovsky’s point hasn’t been understood&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. Florovsky&#8217;s point seems to be that it takes two to tango: both sides of the schism have made distinctions, which due to the heat of polemics, have &#8220;stiffened into contradictions&#8221; – and therefore both sides have to do a fair amount of crow-eating, or, at least, declare a mutual cease-fire, e.g. not being so quick to call  each other&#8217;s developments &#8220;heresies&#8221; (see the Ratzinger formula).</p>
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		<title>By: Eirenikon Editor</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Eirenikon Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Photios,

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to where the notion of Neo-Palamism comes from. I am far from an expert in this area, but I have heard the term used by both Catholic and Orthodox scholars – and not necessarily in a polemical manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photios,</p>
<p>Perhaps you could enlighten us as to where the notion of Neo-Palamism comes from. I am far from an expert in this area, but I have heard the term used by both Catholic and Orthodox scholars – and not necessarily in a polemical manner.</p>
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		<title>By: evagrius</title>
		<link>http://eirenikon.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/disintegration-and-reconciliation/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>evagrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo-Palamism is the interpretation of Palamas by some Orthodox theologians who wished to counter Neo-Thomism.

Since Neo-Thomism itself is a distortion of Aquinas&#039; theology, the result was also a distortion of Palamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-Palamism is the interpretation of Palamas by some Orthodox theologians who wished to counter Neo-Thomism.</p>
<p>Since Neo-Thomism itself is a distortion of Aquinas&#8217; theology, the result was also a distortion of Palamas.</p>
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