Comments on: EP proposes dual communion?

By: Say what? « Eirenikon

Say what? « Eirenikon — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:11:48 +0000

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By: Fr. J.

Fr. J. — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:16:09 +0000

Daniel Nichols, it is hard to imagine a Christian unity without it being a union of particular churches, which is what Orthodoxy is. A union of particular churches with Rome is the only practical way a restored communion can be achieved, as I see it. If there is another way, it would be good to hear it.

Also, it is not hard to imagine the Orthodox being divided over any particular decision. As ASimpleSinner has said in different places, if the EP were to work out a union with Rome, some clerics would get together, name him a heretic and call someone else the EP. Orthodoxy is fundamentally prone to division, as are all churches separated from Rome.

Given this dynamic, the idea of the Eastern Catholic Churches being a bridge in some kind of double communion, is perhaps a way to hold Orthodoxy together while making progress toward reunion with Rome. As I see it, maintaining Orthodox unity is perhaps the greatest practical difficulty not only in achieving union with Rome, but in making any decisions, as the Old Calendarists have well demonstrated.

By: Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople proposes dual communion? « Theologhia | amin.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:59:38 +0000

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By: Dual Communion? « Caelum Et Terra

Dual Communion? « Caelum Et Terra — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:22:01 +0000

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By: Hieromonk Gregory

Hieromonk Gregory — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:48:13 +0000

I just read the statement by the EP; he states that much study and preparation blah blah blah. I suspect this has to do with the EP and the Autonomous Ukrainian situation. I certainly wont lose any sleep over this.

By: Daniel Nichols

Daniel Nichols — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:02:58 +0000

I don’t know what the Roman Catholics would say, but I don’t think I am the only Byzantine Catholic who would welcome this.
And Gashwin- Rome no longer views the reunion of particular churches as a model. In many ways it had the opposite effect than what was intended, confirming Orthodox skepticism by the Latinizations that crept in (the Melkites resisted this better than the others).

By: Ad Orientem

Ad Orientem — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:48:20 +0000

I am waiting for more details from an Orthodox source. That said, what I have read so far is disturbing if true. I would hope Roman Catholics are as disturbed as I am.

ICXC
John

By: John Cassian

John Cassian — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:55 +0000

A bit more detail on the Cardinal’s proposal?

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=59186

By: Gashwin

Gashwin — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:10:44 +0000

Howdy, I’m Googling around … but I think there are two different things: a return to Communion with the Orthodox (whatever *that* might mean), and separately, an appreciation of the idea of “dual unity” proposed by Cardinal Husar.

The KATH.net article in German is not any longer and doesn’t offer anything not in the RISU translation.

I’m trying to find the journal “Cyril & Methodius” online and am also searching for any information on the details of what Cardinal Husar’s ideas might be.

Right now: this is just too vague and sketchy. Still, to hear the Ecumenical Patriarch look upon the Eastern Catholic Churches as a bridge (which is also the Roman view) with Rome seems like a big step forward. It seems that otherwise many Orthodox continue to view them as obstacles to unity.

By: Reunion of a kind.

Reunion of a kind. — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:22:05 +0000

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